Lance Hart is the crossover star of our generation who has seemingly done it all, but there’s so much more yet to come! Lance was nice enough to chat with HotMovies about the requirements for the perfect Femdom, his inspirations in the industry, and what he hopes to accomplish with his new gig on the FSC Board of Directors. Lance also reminds us that our favorite porn stars and sex workers are human, and gives some advice on what we as fans can do to make sex workers feel safer. Oh yeah, and he LOVES karate and cops, and sexy clowns!
HM: You have a very extensive filmography and have performed in a huge variety of scenes. What’s the biggest porno bucket list item that you’ve checked off?
LH: Oh man, it’s so hard to say over the years. There’s been so many things! I just wanted to touch more butts and boobs and stuff. I was like, “Oh maybe I could do that if I’m in porn.” And then really everything’s just been that plus, “Ooh, maybe I could cum on a girl in pantyhose.” I don’t know if I could think of one thing like a bucket list.
Is there anything that you haven’t gotten to do yet that you want to do?
I don’t get to do a lot of threesomes with two girls. I do a lot of bi scenes, so it’s normally guy/guy/girl, which is fun too! I’m not pining over it, but it would be fun to do some more of those. I think I’ve only got to do that like twice, which is weird for a porn guy.
Crossover stars unfortunately encounter some challenges in the industry, but what are the things you enjoy the most about being a crossover star?
The money. It’s hard not to talk about that because it’s really nice. There’s always gonna be work as long as I’m willing to work hard and show up and do my job. It’s supply and demand. There’s just not many guys doing what I do. And I don’t see that changing that much. It has changed a little in a good way; there’s more performers now doing crossover stuff. It’s more acceptable. But for a while if you needed a crossover guy, it was me and two other guys. So I was literally turning down work every day. I just couldn’t be everywhere at once. Now I’d say I have all the work that I ever want. I mostly direct now. I performed like twice in the past two months, but there’s always gonna be scenes there if I wanna jump more into that, I definitely can. And the people; it is a nice group of dudes, the crossover guys. I can’t think of anyone that I’m not pretty close friends with. Like I’ve been to dinner with every crossover guy that I can think of. There’s probably a few exceptions, but out of the fifteen of us that work regularly as crossovers, we’ve been to barbecues at each other houses, we hang out. We’re a tight group of dudes. We’re kind of the outcast so we all stick together, so it’s a cool brotherhood. It’s really nice!
You’ve cast some amazing porn stars in your Femdom series for Lance Hart Studios. What qualities do you look for in a Femdom?
It’s going to sound shallow but body type is huge in terms of making the movie I want. She has to look good in pantyhose, leotards, and leggings. A woman can be very sexy, but just not have that particular type. It really comes down to just flat tummy. They could have giant muscle legs or really curvy big hips or small hips. But the flat belly makes everything.
All the outfits should fit together and makes the facesitting and pegging look good. It’s like flat belly, pelvis all the way down has to look flat in order for the angles to work out good. So, I’m actually looking at girls crotches on Twitter constantly. I’m like, “Would that look good?” And then everything else I can work around, whether it’s MILF, or goth chick, or punk rock girl, or big girl, small girl, tall girl, short girl, big boobs, small perky boobs, whatever. I can work with all of it. It’s really the crotch.
Are there any performers or directors in the industry—gay, straight, or otherwise—that you look up to or are inspired by?
Aiden Starr in terms of what’s right and wrong: in sex work in general sometimes you hit a gray area, and you’re like, “Oh this is new territory. Like I didn’t see this coming up.” With the porn business, sex business, consent business, all that. You hire a model to do a job and you really can’t go over every specific thing that’s gonna happen in the shoot, whether it’s by DM, or Twitter, or email, or a phone call. It would be an eight-hour conversation to explain an eight-hour shoot, where we’re talking about every little thing that could happen. So you give them the bullet points, which is what we’ve all come to accept in sex work is, “Okay, you’re gonna be doing these specific sex acts, like you’re gonna get cum on your face, you’re gonna fuck a guy in the butt with a strap-on, you’re gonna sit on the guy’s face, he’s gonna be a crossover guy. Everybody can be tested.” The basics and then you get to the set and then you realize that we’re like, “Oh there’s no way I could have foreseen that this model can’t or won’t do this one thing.” And I kind of needed that today, and it’s pretty standard everybody else does it, but I think of asking it, that’s one grey area that comes up and I always kind of default to “What would Aiden Starr do?” Because she really just has a good head on her shoulders. We are actually the same age, but she has been in porn way longer. So if she says, “Hey, this is the right thing to do,” I really trust her, and I think that’s important to have someone like that in your life.
Paul Wagner at Men.com is a great guy. He just gets the shoot done. There’s not a lot of laughing and joking around either, but he isn’t uptight. He’s there. He’s gonna get the job done. He can assess people’s capabilities really well. It seems like he knows right away, can size someone up and be like this guy is gonna be able to handle piledriver. I really like working for him.
Man Up Films is the site you founded and is described as men getting weird. What’s the weirdest thing you shot with a male performer?
For a while, we were doing karate porn. I had a client who is the only private client I’ve ever seen. I would get low-ball offers and be like, “Nah, I want a lot of money. I’m not gonna do this unless it’s a shitload of money.” And I was kinda holding out for Bradley Cooper to hit me up or something. Then this one guy who was in town right up the street made it seem super easy, so I went and did a private and it was like three hundred bucks to just put my toes on his face while he jerked off. He wanted me to wear a karate gi. Well, I did it and I was like, “Oh yeah, cool, alright, whatever you got a gi, I’ll put in on.” And then I found out he was a photographer for Black Belt Magazine, and he’s black belt in many martial arts, he’s definitely a big-time martial arts guy. He identifies as straight, but he gets really turned on by guys feet and guys doing karate stuff. And then another guy emailed me like, “Hey, have you ever thought about doing karate porn?” So we were putting guys in gis and doing little short, really bad karate moves, and it got interesting, I stared hiring models that had black belts in karate, so they could do it better. It was like karate mixed with gay porn. We thought it was fun!
What type of weird can your fans expect to see from Man Up Films in 2020?
I’m gonna try to do more group scenes. What my method for shooting now is I hire two models per shoot. We bang out three to four updates for the site in one shoot. Obviously it’s very cost effective and that affords me to see that way. The standard rate for bareback gay porn is like a $1,000 bucks for a day. If it’s a big day with a big script like Men.com, we’re gonna pay more. So the models get a good payday, and we put a time limit on it. They’re in and out the door in six hours. If I’m not done shooting them, then I fucked up, and that’s on me. They get paid and they get to go home. A lot of the scenes are foot fetish scenes, so we’re not even doing penetration. So, there’s ways to make it make sense. Because of that, I have been able to keep my shoot budget down, pay the models more than they normally get paid to make the days easy; it’s kind of been a win all around. It’s worked, but I think my fans, the members of the site, I just wanna give them a little more ’cause they are paying premium. I mean, the members are paying $35 bucks a month to get four updates a month. When it comes to cost per clip, if they were were buying on super sale they’d be getting them pretty cheap.
I know a lot of other premium gay porn sites update every day or twice a week. I thought about updating twice a week, but instead I think I’m gonna do more scenes that have three guys, instead of two. And I think I’ll just go for longer scenes instead of a twelve to twenty-two minute update, maybe all my updates will be like twenty-five to half an hour long, you know. It’s trying to raise the value. And three guys in a scene means it’s more time to get weird! It just adds more value. You might be jerking off to one of the guys, but and then in the corner the screen, there’s another guy doing something and you’re like, “Whoa!” And that just turns you over to the edge, and you’re like “Whoa, I didn’t see that coming, cool.” We make porn that you want. You want to make people lose it and just cum to your stuff and that means you did a good job, you won. I want to make that happen!
You’ve played everything from cops, to superheroes, and super villains. Do you have a favorite type of character you enjoy performing as more than any other?
I like being a cop. It’s fun. I like cops in general. I think I just really respect what they do. They have a hard job, a really hard job. And the military would be cool. There’s only so much you can do in the military, but with the cop all you need is like a badge and a suit and you’re like a detective all of a sudden! When I’m a cop, I can be an authoritative figure, and kinda be a top, and then switch to a cop who’s been restrained or taken advantage of. It gives you more of a break. A little bit more range in there. But it’s fun being a cop!
Your Sex Work Self-Defense course at XBIZ sounds pretty exciting; how did this project get started?
I’ve always been interested in that kind of stuff. That’s just the way my career life’s gone. I’ve moved a lot. Porn is contract work, so it’s hard to stick to one bit of training, but I’ve always trained here and there in like this or that. And it’s one of my biggest regrets, is like, “Man, I wish I would have stayed in one place long enough to really get good at Jujitsu or something.” But I’ve kind of dabbled here and there.
I’m big on gun stuff, gun community, and somewhat active, and I show up at a lot of events and do the training. I noticed that the gun community is very, very welcoming to queers and sex workers. You wouldn’t think that because a lot of people in the gun community are very right-wing because of the gun issues. A lot of gays and queers like me vote left-wing because we kinda have to, for other issues, and then the people kind of polarize us, like we couldn’t vote. But what I’ve learned is there are so many great shooters, and gun community people, and self-defense who are totally gay, queer, married to a transwoman. So I was at first kind of just interested in putting the two together because they are two things I care about. And then really bad things happened to many people in porn, and it was just one terrible story after another: abductions, rapes, assault, just general fear. Like, “This Uber is terrifying me, ’cause I don’t know what this Uber driver’s gonna do next, and I’ve already been raped five times this year.” You know, just that is terrifying. And I’m a dude, like a white dude, so I don’t have to deal with a lot of that. I get in an Uber and it’s just an Uber to me. I don’t get oppressed or anything. So I was kinda embarrassed to not know that that’s that big of a deal that happens all the fucking time. I mean, it’s like terrifying for a lot of people. And it sucks!
So, eventually I just thought, “Oh, well maybe we’ll just do one class and see if anyone’s interested.” So we did one and I found some great instructors that are very sex-work friendly, and it’s kind of tricky. I know a lot of great gun teachers. The kind of guys, like ex-special forces guys that now make a living teaching cops and other units and SWAT teams how to handle close-quarters combat; they’re pros at that. And that’s interesting to me and it’s fun, but that’s not a great solution for, I don’t know, my wife. She’s not gonna carry an AR-15 into every Uber. That’s a little overkill. But those people knew people who were experts in what we need, which is more of just a general training in personal protection, like training yourself to have running awareness and running, what we’re kind of calling a no-list at this point, like you’d have on the set. Like, “Hey, today I am not getting slapped in the face at work. I’m just not, on this set, sorry. It’s just not my thing. If you slap me in the face, I’m walking.” And you tell the director that, and the director’s like, “Cool, no one’s slapping you in the face today.” And you’re like, “Good to go.”
Well, when you get into an Uber, what’s your no list? Like, “Okay, if this guy asks me what I do for work, he’s just making conversation. If he says, “So where do you live; is that your house?” That’s a red flag, but I’m not gonna jump out of the car.” But if he gets real personal and says he recognizes me and gets real, real, real close, maybe that’s my no. Maybe I’m gonna jump out of the car, definitely, that’s a red flag. And having some kind of a system for that.
That’s just one of the many things we’re trying to teach at these classes. Having an out when you go into a hotel, different strategies. Keeping all your shit in a bag instead of walking into a set or a hotel room and just exploding your stuff all over the place, you’ve got makeup in the bathroom and your cell phone’s charging in the corner, and this and that’s everywhere, and then all of a sudden, “Oh, shit. It’s time to go. I gotta get outta here right now.” And you’ve gotta abandon everything you own, it makes it harder to leave. So there’s little things that are good.
The next class is very specific, it’s just pepper spray. It’s just two hours on, “This is how to use pepper spray, how to carry pepper spray, which pepper spray is good, which pepper spray is bad, there’s different kinds. What’s the legal ramifications of pepper spraying someone? What happens if you need to pepper spray someone because they’re a bad guy and they’re gonna hurt you really bad, but the wind catches it and gets on a baby?” I’m not saying pepper spray is the solution to everything, but it’s a good tool and it’s underestimated by a lot of people. We make fun of gun shop owners sometimes. I know a lot of great gun shop owners that are awesome, but there’s a stereotype and it’s unfortunately true, that when you go into a gun shop the owners and the people are just kind of lingering around, they just like to hang out there. They’re kind of waiting for you to say what you want so they can tell you, “You’re wrong. No, you want this.” And those people, they always have some kind of an opinion on less-than-lethal stuff like, “Pepper spray? No, man, what you need here is this extended baton and don’t use the gel, don’t use the spray, etc,” because they heard something in an internet forum and they wanna sound smart and kind of flex that day. The point of these classes is to cut through that bullshit. Some of that may be true, but some of it’s not. Let’s go to some experts who have actually used this in the field, who have trained cops, trained with cops, been cops; who have trained in the military, been military, been military police; who have been private security for people. These are the people who, more than anyone, would know, so let’s get the answers from them.
We’ve got two experts coming in who have been around the block and they know people who have been around the block, and are really good at their research, and they happen to be sex-work friendly, trans-people friendly, which is not that uncommon, again, in the gun world. You gotta vet that out and make sure they’re not gonna freak out if they see a gorgeous transwoman and have mixed feelings about it ’cause they’ve never seen one before ’cause they live in Bum Fuck. [laughs] And then all of a sudden, they see Bailey Jay or Casey Kisses and they’re like, “Oh, I’m feeling things and I know that she has a penis but so what does that mean about me?” We gotta make sure they’ve been through that and they’re cool. So that’s important. And then the sex-work friendly part is cool. It’s actually interesting, politically, ’cause the gun community needs a win, they’re beat up bad and the sex work community also needs a win, we’re getting beat up bad. When you take two opposites and you put them together politically, you can kind of triangulate some votes that way and no politician is really working on that. I’m certainly not a politician, I don’t wanna run for office, but it creates a joined power where you can get a politician to maybe listen to both of you together. You can get a Congressman to listen to you more. So I think it’s kind of cool to power up like that.
What can fans do to help sex workers feel safer?
My friend John, one of the guys that’s teaching the class always says, “If people would just get to know each other better the world would be a better place.” And that’s really it. All my vanilla friends that I run into at a convention or a reunion, it’ll always go like this: I’ll tell them what I do for work, they say, “Whoa.” And then they go, “I have some questions.” And I’m like, “I bet you do.” And then they ask “Have you ever worked with Riley Reid?” Or, “Do you know Janice Griffith? Oh my gosh, she’s so hot.” And then the dick stuff, like, “How do you keep your dick hard? How do you keep from coming?” It’s important to me to humanize the sex workers when I talk to those people. They don’t know Janice Griffith or Riley Reid as real people. I mean they are. They know that, but they don’t know that. They just think of them as a symbol. It’s like I think of I don’t know, my favorite musicians, like, Tom Waits I’m sure, has great days and bad days and all that kinda stuff, but if I knew someone who knew Tom Waits, I would have some questions because I love everything he does. I’d be like, “Oh my God, what’s his favorite food?” [laughs] I would kind of geek out. But Tom Waits isn’t at threat of being abducted.
A good person will just maybe at worst make it awkward if they meet someone they’re a huge fan of. It might make it weird, but that’s alright. If they’re like a middle-of-the-road person who’s capable of evil, they might make it weird and scary, right? But someone who is actually a shitty person with no moral compass, when they meet someone like that, it’s like they just go off. They’re like, “Oh, I’m gonna take you home. You’re coming with me.” And it’s terrifying that we cause that reaction in people. So I think the important thing that fans, normal people, non-sex workers can do is just think of us as human. We’ll think of you as human. That’s the whole thing. And understand: it’s about money, it’s just a job.
Before I was in porn, I got a lot of hookers and went to strip clubs all the time. I still go to strip clubs all the time but I don’t really get hookers so much. I knew it was just about money for the girls, but I also was trying to get as much as I could out of it ’cause it was a money thing. But it’s gotta be a transaction but it’s also gotta be like, “Hey, we’re human, we’re on both sides of this.” It’s like if I was going to Nordstrom, the salesperson is trying to sell me something, I’m trying to buy something. The salesperson is doing it for commission, right? But they don’t wanna hurt my feelings and I don’t wanna hurt their feelings. And they’re not gonna bully me into buying a shoe that I don’t want. If I don’t want a handmade Santino shoe for a thousand bucks, they’re not gonna belittle me and make me feel less than if I don’t buy it. [laughs] And on the same end I’m not gonna belittle them and make them feel less than if the price is too high. The price is the price, right? So just think about it like that.
Congratulations on being elected to the FSC Board of Directors! What do you hope to accomplish during your time on the board?
I just wanna help out. And the truth is, I’m going into it with big, open eyes and I wanna learn and just find a way to be useful. I’m under no false impression that I’m gonna be like, “I’m gonna get in there and fix this or change that.” ‘Cause I don’t know that there’s anything that needs to be fixed or changed. As far as I know, everything’s running great. I really respect FSC and what they’ve done for everybody and I think they’re very underappreciated.
I wish more performers and directors would pay their FSC dues. It’s twenty bucks a month and very few people do that. I didn’t even know I was supposed to do that, I didn’t even know until I met Eric, the old director. I met him at a convention once and we were hanging out at the pool. I was kinda new to porn, I’d been in porn like three years, I had been around. And I was like, “FSC, I get emails from you guys. Oh, you guys do the talent testing. You guys send us money sometimes. You send us reimbursement checks.” And he’s like, “Yeah.” And then he goes, “You know it goes both ways, right? There’s dues you’re supposed to pay, but we don’t really ask people to do it. But I’m just saying, if you go the site, you can look.” I was like, “Oh.” And I felt like a big scumbag. I’m just taking here. I’m just totally taking from the system, like mooching. And then I found out, it’s 25 bucks a month and I get free healthcare. I get a free Teledoc thing. They send the prescription to Walgreens and all I pay for is the prescription, I don’t pay for the doctor. If I need antibiotics or really anything. I just had a flu and I got whatever flu medicines they give you. That’s huge. I have health insurance, but going to the doctor is a bitch, especially when you’re a contractor and you’re all over the place trying to schedule an appointment, it’s not easy. That’s totally worth 25 bucks a month on its own, and they do so much more. So I would like to help people, maybe get more members paying, that would be cool. But as far as what the FSC does, I just wanna learn and see what I can do to help. I’m kind of hoping I’m useful. I hope I’m good for something with them.
What is it about clowns that are so damn sexy?
It never occurred to me that I’d be turned on by sexy clowns! Circus clowns not so much. I live in Vegas, I’m not hanging out at Circus Circus. But I did a trade shoot with Harley, Ms. Quinn. She dressed up like Harley Quinn way before it was cool. Before Suicide Squad and all that shit. She was doing that kind of stuff and she did a lot of clown porn. I did a trade scene and was like, “I don’t know anything about clown porn but you’re hot and can you fuck me in the ass with the strap on?” She was like, “Yeah, sure.” So we did! She did me in the butt and then for her end of the trade she put on clown makeup and then she put clown makeup on me and then she did me in the butt for her thing. She’s already got her clown face on and her tits out, and she’s wearing rainbow fishnets, like clowny shit. I was rock hard, dripping precum while she’s putting my clown makeup on and I’m like, “What is going on right now?” [laughs] Like, what is happening? I did not think I would be this turned on by this.” It just got me, I don’t know, something about it, so yeah, that sexy clown chick, that turns me on!
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