Jada Kai Interviews Leo Vice

AAPI Heritage Month on HotMovies continued on Monday, May 16th when host Jada Kai joined stud Leo Vice live on the HotMovies Instagram. Leo talked about growing up being the only Asian person in his friend group, transitioning from the corporate start-up world to the porn industry, and how he gets in the right mindset to perform before his scenes. Check out their fun conversation below or on YouTube!

Jada Kai Interviews Leo Vice on HotMovies

JK: Hi, everyone. Happy Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage Month. Today, I am going live with the Lion Emperor. [chuckle] I’m your host, Jada. We should have him in here in a second. Okay, I just invited him. I’m very excited to have him, because he is our first male porn star that we’ve had on here. So I think it’s gonna be really fun. Hi.

LV: Oh, hello, hello, hello.

Nice to see you.

Yeah, yeah. No, glad to be here.

I’m excited. Yeah, I was just saying that you’re our first Asian male porn star on here.

Well, I see that you have David Lee coming in the next weekend too, right? Or this weekend?

We have Lana Violet coming next.

Okay.

And then David coming up at the end of the week.

It’s an amazing time for Asian male performers in this industry, ’cause there’s the most of us ever at the same time. It’s usually like one-at-a-time type situation.

I know. I’m so excited. Because, okay, so we were supposed to work together. And then it was allergy season…

Oh, I’m sorry… yeah. Well, it worked out anyways. Because there was an issue with my testing for that week coming up into the Vegas trip. And they uncleared me on everything the Saturday before I was gonna leave. So I thought I might have tested positive for something. So I cancelled the entire trip because it might have been COVID; it could have been anything. And they didn’t tell me exactly what it was. I canceled everything. And then like three hours later, it was like, “Here’s your test results, everything’s fine.” I’m like, “Son of a… ahh.”

“We’re just kidding.” Okay. Well, I’m glad it’s not all my fault. [chuckle]

No, no, yeah, yeah. It was one of those like, you know what? The stars aligned. It was a bad trip anyways.

Okay, good. Now, I don’t feel as bad. But I do look forward to working with you soon.

Yeah.

Anyway, I just wanted to say happy Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage Month.

Yes, yes, yes. Happy Asian Pacific Islander Heritage Month to you too. It’s a thing people say when we greet each other now, you know.

Yes. Wait, do you say the full thing or do you say AAPI?

No, honest, I don’t really have too many Asian friends. So I don’t really say it much at all, period.

Okay, so today since we have all our friends here on @hotmoviesofficial, I wanted to talk about your background a little bit, what you have planned for the future. And we’ll take some questions at the end. For everyone that’s in here, you’ll see a little button on the bottom with a question mark. That’s where you can ask us anything. And you can throw some questions in there and we’ll get to it at the end, if it’s not completely inappropriate for Instagram. ‘Cause you know how these people get sometimes.

Right, right.

They get excited. [chuckle] Okay, so you are Chinese, right?

Taiwanese. Yeah, like Han Chinese, but we’re from Taiwan, though. So you know.

Okay, I’m sorry.

No, no, it’s okay. I mean, it’s one of those things where it’s like 5,000 years of shared cultural similarities. And then it’s like 70 years of civil war. So I oftentimes, I’ll interchange between Chinese, Taiwanese, depending on who I’m talking to. It’s just in the context too, right?

Yeah.

But technically, I’m Han Chinese. That’s the most common thing that you’ll find in the world really.

Well, thank you for clarifying. Sometimes I look it up and then I’ll be like, “Oh, you’re this.” And you’re like, “No, who said that?”

I think there’s a lot going around that people think that I’m a Korean for some reason.

I heard they all think that you’re a K-Pop star.

Well, I think at this point, I have too much facial hair for a K-Pop star. But if I was to be one, I’d be the one with the rap verse though, for sure. [chuckle]

Yes. Can you rap?

Like for fun.

Can you spit tracks?

I mean, like, for fun. But no, there’s never been anything like, “We’re gonna make a career out of this. You’re gonna be all serious,” and so forth. Like, nah.

I recently just did karaoke for the first time in front of an audience.

Oh, okay. I was gonna say, it can’t be the first time you did karaoke. You’re Filipino. It’s in the blood. Right?

Yeah, it’s part of our culture. There’s lots of karaoke. But it was the first time I did it in front of strangers. And that was the craziest. It was in Mexico. And so I was like, “I’m never gonna see these people again.” And I told my niece, I was like, “If you do it, I’m gonna pay for your dinner.” And she was like, “No problem, but now you have to do it.” And I was like, “I wanna… ” [laughter] But anyway, did you have a lot of Asian influence growing up?

Not really. So I grew up in the Bay Area, but I grew up in a part of the Bay Area that didn’t really have a lot of Asians or Asian culture, so I just didn’t really grow up around a lot of Asians. And it wasn’t even until I was like in my mid-20s or something, I found out on NPR that apparently the city I grew up in once had a Chinatown and was burnt the ground after they chased all the Chinese people out of there. So apparently, the racism I faced as a child, there was a reason behind it, because the city was deeply rooted in anti-Asian hatred.

And that’s where I grew up. And then I was born in the mid-80s. I was a child of the ’90s. So we didn’t really have a lot of Asian influences. We had the tail-end of the Bruce Lee legacy still. But it wasn’t really still like… It was still a while before Jackie Chan started popping up a little bit. And then we got some Jet Li action going on. But overall, that was really it for Asian influences and role models. And then recently, we’ve done a lot, lot better. But that’s my childhood, growing up. It’s like there was the tail-end of Bruce Lee. There was some Jackie Chan and some Jet Li. And that was pretty much it, really. That was the options of role models.

Were they people that you looked up to as well?

No, not really, like yes and no. It was cool to see that Asian people were treated as cool, but at the same time, it was very like I don’t know karate, I don’t know martial arts, I can’t… I don’t relate to that. [laughter] The coolest is that they’re doing like back flips off of cars and then kicking people in the face. And I’m just like, “Yo, I can’t do that, I’m not that flexible” [chuckle]

Yeah. I felt like I was not good at anything Asians were supposed to be good at. [chuckle] Which was very hard for me because math was my worst subject for a long time, especially geometry.

Oh yeah.

And everyone was like, “Oh, you’re Asian, you’re supposed to be good at math.” And I was definitely not. [chuckle]

Well, I’m in the same boat as you, so look at us shattering stereotypes and being true to the cause, right? Well, it’s actually, the funny part for me was, they put me in the advanced math class, which I apparently was good at math until I suddenly one day wasn’t good at math. So I started off high school in the advanced math class, I ended high school with the same math grade that I was supposed to be in. So I was like, well… [chuckle]

Well, you were like normal because it like balances out at the end, I feel like.

I think that, and also just I got into wrestling in high school—wrestling and skateboarding—and it was just like, that’s all I cared about; that’s all I really wanted to do. So doing homework for math and studying and staying after class, no, it had no appeal to me. Also I didn’t realize until much later that my eyesight is really bad, so most of the reason I probably didn’t get math so much was ’cause I couldn’t see what the teacher was doing on the board, so instead of going over the math equation, I’m like, “I don’t know you lost me, I don’t fucking get this”, and then just like over my head, right? [chuckle]

Yeah. Okay. So I’m nearsighted so same thing, so I couldn’t see anything at the boards. [chuckle] And I thought that was why I wasn’t good at school, but when I got contacts it didn’t help whatsoever. [chuckle]

Well, no so for me it was like, yeah, I couldn’t see the board for the most part. So after I failed calculus, the first time I had to take it again the second time, my senior year. And at that point by my senior year, I was just like, “You know what, fuck it, I just can’t see the board I’m just gonna get up, walk to the front of the class and sit down and take notes.” And no teacher is ever gonna be like, “Hey, you can’t come up front to take notes” You know what I mean? So they just let me do it and then that year I did much better in all my grades because I just took the initiative, walked up to the front and just started taking notes. And I was like, “Oh, look how much better I am at school when I actually can pay attention to what the teacher is doing, instead of me in the back doodling on my books and stuff and being like, Hey, I don’t see what’s going on anyways so let me just sit here and draw real quick.”

That’s funny. So were you more of a jock or a jock because you were a wrestler?

No.

Or were you more like a more student person? Were you good in school or were you like a bad boy?

It’s kind of a weird one, I feel like I’m kind of a Jack of all trades, even back in high school I was definitely…

You’re a little social butterfly.

Right. Well, it’s not even that though ’cause I was like socially… I felt socially awkward, right? But it’s also one of those things where how you feel, isn’t a reflect of how other people look at you. So even though I personally felt like I was like a shy, quiet, awkward kid in high school, apparently people thought I was cool because I was doing so many things. So people saw me pop up in so many different places, they were like, “He’s gotta be cool, he does all these things, right?” [chuckle] So it’s one of those inadvertently by my senior year, like, “Hey, apparently I’m cool and I have people that like me.” But didn’t really feel that way when you’re in the middle of it all. And then yeah, I started wrestling my freshman year of high school, but I also started skateboarding too, which is like the anti-jock thing to do back in the late ’90s, early 2000s, right? And also a little known fact that most people don’t know, but I was in choir for eight years of school, I started in fifth grade, so I had that going on too. I did fairly well in school, I averaged like a 3.5 GPA. So, it was like I did okay, I wasn’t the smartest kid, but I was also like if you’d copy off me on a test, you’re guaranteed to do decent, at least a passing grade. [chuckle] I can’t promise you an A, but we will at least both pass together.

[laughter] That’s dope. I kind of struggled in school a little bit because I was gone so much for skating.

Right.

But I can relate with you because I think that people thought that I was cool because I was an ice skater and I was being recognized for that. But I felt like I was very socially awkward, I really wanted to make friends, but I didn’t have enough time to make friends.

Yeah.

Leo Vice

But that was the dream to be normal and popular and like. [chuckle]

But well, it’s like we spent so much time doing sports or athletics or whatever, is that all like 80% of your portions of your time just eaten up by doing that, right? So it’s like, while the grass is always greener on the other side, because while we’re spending that 80% of the time training for whatever goal or thing we have, we see all these other people being social, having friends, so when you’re like, “Oh, they look so much more popular and cool.” But then I guess they’re looking back at us, be like “Look at what they’re achieving and doing over there, that’s so cool.” So it’s like the grass is always a little bit greener on the other side, right?

Yes. Okay. That for everyone in here I feel like that’s like a good reason to never compare yourself to other people. [chuckle] Because I feel like, yeah, I just always wanted to be the pretty popular girl at school and I wanted to fit in, but yeah, they thought that my life was the coolest because I got to like travel and stuff and I was like, “I wanna be normal.”

But you know as I get older, you’re like normal is overrated just be abnormal. It’s fine; it’s more fun that way really. [chuckle]

Yeah. Now I’m more comfortable in being not so normal.

Right. [chuckle]

Okay, so after that, you joined the corporate world for a little bit. How was that?

Actually, no. Before the corporate world, I did all sorts of stuff, we’re not gonna talk about some of it ’cause it gets very specific and it’s a lot of personal detail, but I also had a start… I was in the start-up business world, so I built a business up. When I started, there was literally the owner and me, so we kind of built that up over the years, and then after that is how I ended up in the corporate world. So there was like a good five, six-year span of doing that, and the only reason I really bring this up is because if it wasn’t for that period, I wouldn’t have been in the corporate world, I wouldn’t have had the qualifications, and I wouldn’t have been in there.

Was there a lot of similarities starting your own business and then starting from the grassroots into porn?

Yeah, actually, yeah, it’s… Having already been at the start-up level and seeing, doing everything on your own… Seeing something built from the ground-up and then coming into this industry and being like, “Alright, let’s do all of this.” We have to do the exact same thing, we’re building something from the ground up, but at least this time, I’m not completely blind and in the dark, I have some sort of idea. Some of the stuff we did translates over, some of the stuff doesn’t translate over, but you at least have the general blueprint of like, “Okay, we gotta start building a social media presence, we gotta start marketing, we gotta start doing this, we gotta start having a product, we have to start getting things out there. We have to keep up with these things… “

So a lot of the stuff you learn in business in general, whether it was in the start-up or the corporate world or whatever, a lot of those skills were easily able to transfer to this because at the core, we’re a business selling entertainment like every other business selling entertainment. It’s just that everyone looks at us differently because our entertainment is a very niche genre, but there’s really no difference between what we sell now as entertainment versus what I was doing before, selling videogames as entertainment. Right? So I think a lot of it was transferable knowledge and information.

That’s good. That’s so helpful. I think that a lot of people think that… That they don’t really see the business side, which is good and bad, you know, because everyone thinks that it’s super easy and stuff like that, but there is a big actual business plan to what we’re doing.

Right. And it’s kind of… It’s a little bit our fault too, because we are selling a fantasy and it’s like the fantasy isn’t you knowing about our spreadsheets and our marketing strategy, and this and this… The fantasy is like, “Here’s us and enjoy this, have fun.” But all the behind the scenes things we do to make the fantasy a reality for the consumer, it’s like, “Yo, let’s keep that behind the scene.” Right? It’s like trying to watch a movie and then you’re seeing the green screen, instead of the actual CGI stuff, it’s like, “Yo, that’s not what we pay money for.”

[laughter] I know, I totally watch those and I’m like, “What the heck, they just did it in what looks like a garage… ” A Marvel movie really loses it’s magic when you’re watching this green-screen acting versus the actual final piece of the Marvel film. Right?

Yeah, it’s totally like ruining Christmas, [laughter] the same feelings.

Right. It’s like when I was six years old, I came down for Christmas and my dad left the receipt on the counter.

Wait, what?

The way that Christmas and Santa Claus was… Well not explained, but discovered by me and my brother was, I think I was around six or seven years old, and we came down for Christmas one year, and my dad had accidentally left the Christmas present receipt on the table.

No! [chuckle]

And that’s how we discovered that. How old were you when you found out that Santa wasn’t real?

I was like six or seven, but my brother was three years older than me, so he was the one that realized it before I did, you know what I mean? But it’s ’cause that receipt was left on the table and my brother goes, “Oh, okay.”

“Dad! Why, did Santa go shopping?”

Right? “Did Santa buy our Christmas presents from Macy’s?” I don’t know. [laughter]

That’s hilarious. So what do you have going on right now with your career and everything?

Oh man, right now is a weird time for my career because I got really badly injured at the beginning of February, so right around the time of the PornHub awards and all that stuff, and I was like, “Cool. Second win. Motivation.” I sprained my back, it’s been an ongoing issue with back problems. To rewind this from the beginning, I hurt my back before the pandemic. It was in the process of healing, but it didn’t really quite heal properly. Then the pandemic happened, and then we were all stuck inside sitting for so long, so that back injury got worse, it led to a…

No!

Yeah, it led to a muscle imbalance issue because my other muscles were compensating for the back injury, and then… So I started going physical therapy for that, we finally dealt with the muscle imbalance issue, so I was feeling better, then I went to the gym, I was doing squats, really light weights, and I think because of the muscle imbalance, it was preventing me from fully stretching all the way down to do a full ass-to-grass squat, but now that we fixed that issue, I was able to go that much further, but my ligaments weren’t used to it because of the back injury for so long, so I ended up spraining my back.

And then that sprained back led to a herniated disk. So it just kept snowballing, right? So I have a slight bulge in my herniated disc that’s hitting my sciatic nerve, so I’ve been dealing with a lot of sciatic problems since February, pretty much. But as I mentioned to you, I’ve been going to acupuncture recently, and that seems to be helping a lot, so I’m pretty confident that I’m finally on a good road to recovery, but there’s not really much going on ’cause I’m just focusing on healing and recovering at this point because that back injury was a lot worse than I thought it was gonna be. That’s the main priority for me right now, is just focus on my health, get my back healthy again, and then once we’re back to healthy again, I can start planning bigger things, but right now, it’s just a lot of small things, just like making sure the fan site has content and things like that, but no really big plans right now, just ’cause healing and recovery. That’s number-one priority right now.

Leo Vice

Yeah. Wow, that’s so hard. Did it kind of start from… Did you have a lot of injuries when you were a wrestler?

Not when I was a wrestler, but it is tied to the wrestling days, so the first time my back actually went out on me, I was 18, and I had finished wrestling at the time and I was focusing more on skateboarding. I came back from a long day of skating, I didn’t fall skating at least like nothing major, I felt perfectly fine, but I went back to the dorms in college, I would bent over to take my shoes off, and that’s when I slightly just felt the worst… Like sharp pain stabbing me in the back. So the back problem started around that point when I was 18, and then I just remember going to the doctors after a while, ’cause it wasn’t getting better, they were like, Hey, you gotta go to group physical therapy.

And then when I went to physical therapy, I was the only person who was under 40 and not obese, and overweight so that shows you what my back was at at 18, like as a 18-year-old person, I had the same back as like an obese 40-something year old, So it was a lot of wear and tear and it was most likely through wrestling, and skateboarding, but it started at 18 is when the problems really started occurring, but then it was still… My body was still resilient enough that when I went through months of rehab to get my back strengthen, then it was years of everything’s good, no problem, five years, not a single problem, and then I did it again after like five years, and then it’d be like a couple more months of recovery. And then another four or five years. Perfectly fine. And then something like this happens again. It’s like, Oh, oh yeah. This again is happening again. So this is like the third major time this happened to me, but it seems to be like if I could just power through this, I have at least a five-year window, where I’ll be like kind of okay, you know what I mean?

You’re like based on past, if you’ve had an injury.

Exactly.

Injuries are the worst. Even when I get new injuries, I feel like they’re always rooted to some of my old skating injuries as well, but I’m so bad because whatever the therapist will tell me to do and like, Oh, you need to give it rest, blah, blah, blah. But I’m the kind of person where when I’m hurt, I think I wouldn’t be like that forever, so I’ll keep testing. Like does it feel better now or do I need to do more? I’ll keep doing the same things over and over, and it just prolongs the recovery process so much longer.

Oh, I know and it’s I think it’s part of a remnants of when we were younger and very athletic that you were able to do that and be like, “No, no, no, I think we’re okay.” And then your body just kinda gets through it… As we get older, you’re like, “Yeah, you can’t just keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting to just heal…”

Okay, so no crazy sex positions for you for a little bit…

For a little bit, right? But you know, I can still do all the main fun ones, and that’s the important part, so…

Yeah, they’re the basics, but they’re good and you just can’t go too crazy. I’m gonna look into some of the questions that people have asked. Someone said, “Is it difficult to perform under pressure and how do you handle it mostly?” You actually just went viral, because you were open about Viagra. That was pretty cool.

I mean, ’cause it’s one of those things where it’s like, it’s pretty open in the industry, but we don’t talk about it outside the industry, and even then it’s like… I think people have the misunderstanding of how the medication works, they’re like, “Oh, you just take it and it just automatically works.” It’s like, no, there still needs to be a level of arousal, all it does is like… What’s the thing it produces, like nitrate or something? It’s just the chemical compound that allows the blood vessels to relax a little bit, but there still needs to be a mental component, the brain still needs to send the signal that blood needs to go down there. So it’s not like an automatic like… ‘Cause there are people who take the medication and still fail during a shoot because nerves and all this other stuff, right? So just setting the record straight for people… ‘Cause I saw a lot of comments on that post, especially being like, Well, anyone could take it and do the job and you’re like, still no, it just helps, but it doesn’t automatically make things just work. And what that is, it’s mental, 99% of what we do is mental—okay, not 99, but it’s like 80%. There is a physical component to this, but it’s like 80% mental, 20% physical, and it’s just… You have to have your mind right, you have to… Everyone gets there a different way, everyone has a different background of how they got comfortable being naked on camera, doing what we do, but you have to get there first before you can take it to the professional route, right?

And if you’re not comfortable doing it first, don’t expect to just suddenly be a professional, and get paid to do it and just go on to a set and everything works out just fine. And even then, even if you have, even if you’re comfortable, relaxed, feel no problem, even if you get turned on by the idea of people viewing you and watching you and so forth, there’s other things that can pop in like a tragedy, a personal situation…

Real-life things…

There’s all sorts of stuff that can get your mind out of focus to where you can’t perform properly, and so I guess the main thing to tell people is this, it’s really on your mind and it’s really just getting your mind… Getting your mind right? And I don’t know, ’cause it’s different for every person, like what gets their mind right, but it’s like you have to get your mind to a point where you’re relaxed enough that it’s not detrimental to you, but you have just that right amount of nerves that it helps you get everything going to where you need to go, you know what I mean?

Yeah, like really channeling your nerves. Do you feel like you’re getting ready for a tournament before… Before you’re good for it?

A little bit. Like there’s a little part of me that’s like that, but then like, it’s like, I try to tone it down even more just because it’s like, again, I don’t wanna be the nerves to be so much that it’s like, oh God, I can’t really control this like nervous energy. And, I noticed that I used to have that a lot when I, before wrestling was like, I did really bad when I was really, really nervous before wrestling. I did really well when I didn’t even think about the match beforehand. By my senior year, by my junior senior year, I no longer even looked at the brackets. I don’t care who I’m wrestling next. ‘Cause I wrestle ’em either way. I no longer cared. Just you call my weight class, you call my name. I show up to the thing.

And even then I’m like, you know, the coaches be like, “Start getting ready.” I’m like, “I’ll get ready when I’m ready.” Like for me, it was keeping the nerves calm. And then when I got out there, I performed much better because everything was calm. But when I got in my own head, because it’s like, “Oh, I gotta wrestle this person. And this guy did this and this and this.” So like that’s what killed me. Right? It was like getting in my own head. I was my own worst enemy. So I just realized like blank slate. I’ve been practicing. I’ve been training. I know what to do. Just go in there and focus pure on reaction. Don’t think about it. Just go and do. And that worked out so much better. So I have the same mentality going into porn shoots now where it’s like, “I’m just gonna show up and then just whatever they throw on me, go, okay, we’re gonna do it. Just don’t think about it.” Just go and do it.

Yeah, for sure. And in skating too, like I would just like pump myself up and be like, “Oh, this girl did this trick and blah, blah, blah.” And I would like psych myself out and then I got to, like, I really had to work with like a sports psychologist to really like mellow myself out before. And like this isn’t fucking Rocky, and we had to go like balls-to-the-wall hard because I would like burn myself out. Like I would do like these extreme warm-ups before competition time, but I would never train that way…

Right. And then you by yourself, like you’ve tired yourself before the competition, ’cause you’re focusing so much on the warm-up that by the time the actual competition comes, you’re like fuck, I’m kind of winded already. I’m like tired. [laughter]

Yeah. It’s very much the same as performing in porn because of like, okay, I gotta, we’re just gonna have a little sex. It’s gonna…

The more you think about it, the more you have the opportunity to get in your own head about it, the more you’re just like, you know what, blank canvas, show up. Tell me what to do. Let’s go. The easier is just like, oh, this is what we’re doing. Let’s just go.

Yeah, there’s definitely like a learning curve to it. That’s very good advice. Someone asked, “When did you find your confidence?”

Oh man. When did I find my confidence? A little bit right after college. I found it a little bit after college and it was a sort of finding my identity, that once I found my identity, I found my confidence. You know what I mean? And for a long time, I didn’t know who I was, like, I didn’t know who I was supposed to be, who I was and whatnot. And especially as I mentioned earlier, growing up as like the only Asian kid in school and things like that, it’s really hard. Like is my identity the Asian guy, like is that it? [laughter]

So, you know, wrestling helped me find my identity and my confidence, but then once I stopped high school and stopped wrestling, I had to go find it. I had to find my identity all over again. After college though, it was like I was after college, I was pretty confident with who I’d become. I was a skater. I had formerly wrestled and into combat sports. I did these things, I was doing a startup business. And at that point, that’s kind of what led me to be like, okay, I know who I am and it’s not necessarily like my identity was a skater, this and this and so forth. It was just that I am a confident person and I feel confident in whatever I do. And that was what gave me the confidence in whatever I do moving forward, you know, just the little successes in life to be like, you know, if I was able to succeed at these things, right. If I was able to be a competent wrestler, be a pretty good skater, I was on Dean’s list in college. I did all these things. Why can’t I do the next thing? Why can’t I do this? Why can’t I do that? And that’s literally what led me to being a more confident, self-assured person. And it’s always just kind of been building off that since.

Wow. I never thought of it that way, that like confidence is knowing who you are.

Right.

Wow. [laughter] I feel like I learned something new.

Yay.

Because I totally struggled with the confidence issues sometimes, and that definitely helps. And I totally went through like a phase where I had an identity crisis during high school and I was like, “Okay, we’re only gonna wear rock wear and act all rad like my freshman year. [laughter] And I was like, “I don’t think that this is my vibe.” So then I was like, “Okay, I’m only gonna wear skater clothes.” And I was like, I only learned how to skate, like after high school, into like college, so like not too long ago, but I was like, “I guess I’m not a skater. I just look like a phony.” And I very much never found myself until I guess like more, like Asians hit mainstream. I was like, “Oh, it’s like pretty cool to be Asian. It’s not that weird.” And Asians are sexy, you know what I mean?

And yeah, no, no, 100%. And I think it definitely helps. It definitely helps a lot of people to see representation that we didn’t have before to be like, “Oh, this like we’re allowed to be these things that we were told before that we weren’t allowed to be.” Right? And that definitely helps people find their identity and find, or at least opens up doors that they can explore different parts of your identity. But yeah, I think at the end of the day though, like knowing who you are definitely helps with confidence. It’s like having the confidence of like a middle-aged dad, you know, the one that shows up to like Walmart wearing like the short-shorts and like the clothes that you would never get caught wearing as like a high schooler. But the dad doesn’t care because the confidence of middle-aged dad just be like, “This is what I’m wearing. I don’t care. Like it’s comfortable.” Like once you have that confidence, you’re good. You’re set. You know what I mean?

Wow. Okay. Yeah. The middle-aged dad definitely has a different level of confidence.

Short shorts and some Birkenstocks and just like going through Walmart without a care in the world. That’s what you need to be right there.

Like no fuck is given.

Exactly. [laughter]

Okay. Next question: “When was the last time you did something for the first time?”

Oh, actually, would I even be allowed to say that? Last Friday, it was… Yeah, last Friday, it was Lola Fae‘s birthday and I had psychedelic tea for the first time, so that was something new to me. I’ve done psychedelics plenty before, just never done it in tea form like that, so that was new. [chuckle]

Did it taste good?

It had a very minor aftertaste that you can kind of taste it, but overall, I enjoyed it, I liked it. And it was very mild too, because it wasn’t like you were always gonna get super fucked up kind of party, it was like, “Hey, here’s a little something something to enhance the night” kind of situation. So it was really cool. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was like, it was a really fun… It just gave a little extra sparkle to the night, you know what I mean? [chuckle]

Yes, for sure. I did a little not too long ago, that was fun. [chuckle] And I recently went to the Budtender convention or whatever.

Okay, yeah.

And Mike Tyson had a booth and he’s super into that stuff, so it’s cool to see how much that is coming into the US, I think it’s gonna be definitely a new thing because it’s gonna be decriminalized in Colorado.

Oh yeah, I think they’re like… And some parts of California, I think Berkley already did it too.

Oh cool, I didn’t know that.

Yeah, so yeah, like little small pockets are starting to look at decriminalizing and the medical benefits of that, and there’s like, “Well, I might have missed the gold rush for a weed, but maybe I could get in on this one.” Right?

Are you a weed guy?

Yes, I’m a big fan of psychedelics. So I’m a big fan of psychedelics as you might be able to tell with the long hair and all of this stuff going on, the wacky hippie thing going here. [chuckle] But yeah, definitely, weed is on the list of both recreational and medicinal purposes, ’cause especially right now with my injuries, I hate to say this, I’ve been smoking a little more than usual, but it’s also ’cause I’ve been dealing with a lot of back pain ’cause of the sciatic issue. But I’d much rather be doing that ’cause I can still function on that, than if I was taking more opiate-type painkillers, because those kill the entire day right there, I was like, “I’m doing nothing, once that starts happening.”

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Yeah, there’s so many that’s like… I get so many side effects whenever I take painkillers, my stomach was so trashed when I had a very bad ankle injury when I was skating.

Oh, okay.

And so they were just putting me on crazy high doses of Ibuprofen because that was the only sport-legal thing that I could take. And it just… It made my health so much worse. So it’s so good…

Even Ibuprofen is not healthy for you, ’cause if you take too much of it at the high dosages, I think it causes stomach ulcers and a bunch of other complications and issues. So that was another thing, it’s like… I’m like, I can’t just be taking prescription-grade Ibuprofen every day for the last three months since I’ve been hurt. That’s not good for me.

Yeah, and health is so important to our jobs because we have to perform.

Right.

And be like this when a shoot is happening.

Oh no, it’s also… It’s new to me to be in the business of beauty. There’s just certain weird things where it’s like in a normal job, you can’t call in to be like, “Hey, I got a pimple in the middle of my face, I can’t come to work today.” [chuckle] But with this job, it’s like that’s a legitimate excuse to be like, “Yo, it’s a pretty gnarly pimple on my face.” So like, “Yeah, we get it, just stay home.” [chuckle]

Dude, yeah, like what I was saying, it’s like, “I have hives all over my body and I don’t feel hot.” [chuckle]

Because like no other job can you say that and they’ll be like, “No, still come in. We need you to come in.” Right? You could be like, this job, they’d be like, “Okay, you know what, call us when you’re okay. Take the time. We understand. ‘Cause we don’t want that on camera either, right?”

Yeah, for sure. Okay, that was a fun question. Let’s see. Do you get upset when people turn your race into a fetish or kink? Do people do that to you?

No one’s at least done it to my face. I don’t know, it’s a tricky one and I think a lot of it comes from just… I think it depends on how they do it and their approach, right? I’m not a person who’s gonna say race play is always bad, but there’s definitely… You can sense it sometimes where it’s like, “Yo, there’s a dark place where this is coming from, and I’m not a fan of that.” [chuckle] And there’s other times where it’s like, you know what, if there’s two consenting adults that wanna do it, who’s to stop two consenting adults from enjoying this thing that they’re enjoying? But again, for me, it’s like a lot of people who like me, I don’t ask further questions to be like, “Is it only because I’m this, is it because you have to be…” [chuckle] You know what I’m saying? So I purposefully keep myself a little bit ignorant to that fact just because if you are a fan because you’re fetishizing my race, I don’t need to know that, I just need to know that you’re a fan and that you enjoy my content, and that’s cool, that’s great. That’s wonderful, right?

And then it’s a turn-off if it’s like… If it comes from this weird ignorant, hateful kind of place. But if it’s just somebody being like exploring some side of them or whatnot. Like, “I really, really like K-pop and can you pretend to be a K-pop artist for me?” I’d be like, “Cool, let’s do it.” That sounds like more make-believe fun than anything else. So in that sense again, there’s different degrees of it. There’s different shades of it, and yeah, I don’t think everything is necessary all black and white, there’s a lot of different shades of grey in it, but it depends on what shade of grey we are landing on here, you know?

Yeah. Wow, that’s a really good way to look at it because… Yeah, I feel the same way where sometimes it’s like but it’s also like, “Well, I am Asian.”

Right.

And that is a part of me and I get why you can enjoy that, you know what I mean?

Exactly.

But I also like roleplay too…

It’s one of those things like you wanna get off on the fact that I’m Asian, okay. You want me to put on a thick Chinese accent while I’m doing this, no, there’s a problem there. Right? [chuckle]

[chuckle] Yeah, I’ve done one scene where I put on like a very very thick Filipino accent. And I was like, “This is kinda fun, but, I don’t know.” I feel indifferent about it and I’m like, “I don’t wanna like offend people because that’s not like not how I normally talk.” But like it’s something that when I go to the Philippines, I speak Tanglish or whatever, which is like Tagalog English, and I definitely do have a very like thick accent when I’m saying it. So I’m like, “I don’t wanna make anyone upset, but I get the issue.” Someone spotted your figurines on your desk. I don’t know if you wanna talk about them.

That guy right there? Just Max Paine, just a little Max Paine figurine. I got that guy, I got a little, wait, if you could see little Star Wars over there, I’ve got some, just got a little toys and little knickknacks that I picked up along the way throughout life. So, you know. [chuckle]

Oh, are you a, like also a nerd too?

Yeah, I mean, it got, the corporate world that I was in before this was the videogame industry. So I was in the videogame industry for six and a half years. And so that’s where I picked up a lot of knickknacks and things like that. And…

That’s cool.

And I got into the industry because I was a big fan of videogames and so forth. So, I’m definitely, there’s definitely a huge, like nerdy, geeky side of me. Big fan of videogames, movies, comic books. Like we could debate Marvel stuff all day long. [chuckle] There’s all sorts of like, you know, there’s like very, very geeky nerdy side of me, and it’s not like I keep it hidden or secret. It’s just like, it’s there. If anyone wants to talk about it, I’m more than happy to talk about it, but it’s also not like my entire identity. You know what I mean? Like…

Yeah. I have a little nerd part of me as well. I celebrated May the 4th and that was really fun.

Nice, nice. [laughter]

I had a pretty dope Star Wars day. I was a Storm Trooper. I wore like an eight year old boy’s… [chuckle] Storm Trooper costume, and I just like well, my body suit was like falling apart by the end of the day. It was pretty funny. Let’s take one more question.

Okay. Oh, and real quick, I saw somebody ask if I like anime. Yes. Yes, I do.

Do you watch Hentai too?

Sometimes, sometimes. [chuckle]

Okay. So I thought that Hentai was like only like tentacles and stuff like that, but there’s this like, I’m very into like the real-life Hentai.

Like the slice-of-life type stuff? Like…

Yeah. I didn’t really…

So that’s actually kinda the stuff I like too, ’cause that’s actually, oddly enough, I do enjoy those types of animes, so it makes sense, I also enjoy slice-of-life Hentais as well. [chuckle]

It’s amazing. And like, they get angles that are very hard to get in like real life.

Well, that… It’s not even just that, but I just think like in general, like, not even just Hentai but like even JAVs and stuff like that, I think they do better realistic kind of storylines than what we do here in…

Oh yes.

You know what I mean? Like their stuff is like, as crazy as it sounds, still has some sort of level of plausibility to it where our stuff is like, “No, the pizza man’s not gonna, like, why, right?” [laughter]

Yes. I agree. [chuckle] Is the industry a lifelong career for you right now or do you have other plans?

Well, I don’t know about lifelong ’cause at a certain point I’m gonna get too old to the… I’ll get so old to the point where, you know, performing is gonna be an issue. And also like, are people gonna be wanting to watch me at a certain point anymore? [chuckle]

Yeah, it’s daddy.

But at the same time, like, you know how Asian people age, right? Like, I’m gonna look like this for like 20 years and then one day I’m gonna wake up and just be like four-foot-three with like a hunchback. Like, but I don’t know if this is necessary, I don’t know being in front of the camera is not a lifelong thing. At a certain point, I wanna phase out and do more behind-the-scenes, like directing or producing, things like that. And even during the transition, like I still expect to be in front of the camera somewhat, but the goal has always been sort of build up the entire platform, so that other talent, not necessarily just Asian men, but like…

Oh, I’m hearing myself right now, but no, it basically get to a point where I build a platform like a website or something where I can give a chance to other male talent that’s not necessarily getting recognition and shine, in just Western media. So it’s like not just, you know, Asians from like east Asia, but also it’s like, if there’s Middle Eastern men who wanna get into this, like, we don’t have a lot of that. There are Latino men in industry, but there’s not like a huge amount of them. So there’s a lot of people that like, yoh, you’re sexy people, but you’re not really getting roles and opportunities and shine. So why don’t we create some storylines around that and give them an opportunity? So that’s always kind of been the long-term goal, the long term plan.

And even then if I do, if it does succeed and I do carry that out, I would still be in front of the camera somewhat, but hopefully not to the point where it’s like, I’m paying all my bills by being in front of the camera. Hopefully, we get to the point where it’s like, I could do some more fun stuff in front of the camera, but most of the work is behind the scenes, building, getting ready for the next generation of performers, ’cause there is a time limit on this and I got into the game a little bit late, not super duper late, but still not super duper early. So I do have to be aware of that like, you know, some of these guys are like, they got ten, 20 year careers ahead of them and I’m sitting here being like five, ten years probably in front of the camera, ten years is kind of pushing it. But hopefully we can make things and make that transition within that time window there. ‘Cause, you know, after ten years, I’d be like 40, 45, 46, and at that point, like, it’s a little hard to do physical labor all day as your main job in your like mid-to-late 40s. And that’s ultimately what, you know, male talent in this industry is, it’s physical labor, right?

Yeah, for sure. [chuckle] And I guess, sorry, I said that was the last question, but I thought this question was good too, and it was, “Did you ever have to force chemistry for the camera?”

I’ve been very lucky in the sense that I haven’t had to force chemistry, I’d like to think I’m a easy-to-get-along-with person, so I really hope that my scene partners don’t have to force chemistry with me, but with that, I love women. It’s very easy for me to meet my scene partners and be like, “Oh okay.” I find something that I’m attracted to them about, find something to get aroused by and generally just really enjoy their company while we’re shooting the scene. And also the nature of our work is that even if you don’t get along as people, you don’t even necessarily need to know that because you both just show on scene, you haven’t really talked to each other beforehand, so there’s no negative or positive, it’s just pure neutral. Then you do your scene and then hopeful you guys got along and then you guys can make a connection afterwards. [laughter] Or if you guys didn’t get along, you’re like, “Well, we started off on a neutral footing and then we’re just gonna leave it at that and just keep it fairly as neutral as possible.”

Well, that’s really good, because I kinda felt like I had to a couple of times and I was like, “I’m never doing that again.” But I think partially it was because I was with an agent and I kinda felt like I had to take some gigs that I didn’t necessarily… I would have never picked that scenario or whatever, and I kind of felt like I look forward to chemistry sometimes, but that’s so good that you’ve never had to do that.

Yeah. And again, I know my situation is different than others, ’cause I’m very blessed in the sense of when I got into the industry and also again, of not having a lot of Asian male talents, it allowed me to skip the line in a lot of the lower-end groundwork that new male performers kinda have to do. So in essence, I’m very blessed and lucky in that sense, but maybe if I had gone that route where I had to go through the lower-end circuit at first, it’d probably be a lot more of a different answer to this question right now.

Great, yeah, you got in producing yourself so…

Exactly.

That does mean a lot.

So I got to build a little fanbase, I got to build an audience and that, and all of that helps leverage it to be like, “Hey, there’s people that do wanna watch him. So he’s not a completely… ” Not only there’s the already people that wanna watch me, but also you’ve already seen that I can perform on camera multiple times. So it’s a little less worry and risk hiring me as a new talent than someone who’s completely untested as new talent to be like, “We don’t really know whether or not they can perform because we’ve literally never seen any of it.” Right?

Yeah, for sure. Well, thank you for everyone that submitted questions, thank you for hanging out with me today and celebrating with me. It’s fun to get to know you and chat with you. Did you wanna plug in anything? Like any of your socials so people can find you?

Honestly, you can find me on the black and orange site, you can search my name on there, it’ll bring you to my videos and my profile, and you can find all of my socials and everything on there. That’s the easiest way for people and also just the most official, so you know you’re not jumping on to a catfish account or anything like that. Everything on the black and orange site, that is my official stuff. So that’s the place to go find me and to see what all my other socials are. Yeah.

Perfect, you made that very easy.

Yeah.

Thank you so much. Thank you for everyone that came to hang out with us. Stay tuned. Our next interview is with Lana Violet, and then we have David Lee coming on later. Thank you again Leo Vice. We had an amazing time with you. Sorry for talking your ear off today.

No. No. No. It’s fine.

And taking a little bit more of your time, but I had such a great conversation with you and this was so awesome. Have a good day.

You too, goodbye everybody.

Bye.


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